I understand charging to get a new version, but ...

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I understand charging to get a new version, but ...

Postby ToolmakerSteve » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:23 am

I understand charging to get a new version, but ...

So, I run my old, free, version of Reflector. It asks if I want to automatically update. I say no. It DELETES the existing .exe file.

What gives?

In all my years as a programmer, I've NEVER encountered anything like this.

I assumed I would need to pay went I wanted to work with .Net 4.0. But I hadn't got to that point yet.

I wasn't expecting any support, any use of any resources of Redgate.
But I did expect that I could keep using the version on my PC, until it was so out of date, it was no longer useful to me.

Any official comment on this situation?

*EDIT* To Clarify, I am asking for an official comment on how Redgate justifies doing something no other company has ever attempted: yank an old outdated version. This is different than not continuing to update [keep up to date with new functionality] for free - that I understand. The simple ability to continue using a pre-existing free version, to the degree that it continues to be useful, caveat emptor.

Bottom line: handled properly, I would have bought a paid version, once its benefit over the outdated version was sufficient for me. Handled improperly -- I will wait until a certain competitor picks up the slack. Their decompiler may not be as elegant as Reflector. But if they no longer have to compete with a free Reflector, they are likely to improve (they can justify further development).

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Postby AvonWyss » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:19 pm

I would be very surprised if you did get an answer from them. If you look around on this forum you'll see that they have been ignoring everyone who didn't ask a question about licensing, even if those were long-time customers. They pride themselves as being the best place to work, providing the best support and supporting the community. Seems to me that they are at least good with two things: pretending a lot of stuff and breaching their own license terms.
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I'm a bit surprised

Postby kaalen » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:17 am

I didn't pay any attention to RedGate's pricing model and quite frankly if they started charging as I expected them to I would happily go to our management and ordered a whole bunch of licenses for this wonderful product.

However I'm now not doing that for a simple reason - ETHICS. No mater how cool the product is, ethics prevail when it comes to me. It is unethical to auto destruct the last non-paid version of the product that came to be what it is due to community effort whithout saying that this is what's going to happen in advance (Microsoft does that for example).

It is also completely incorrect to claim that this timebomb has been in the product since Lutz's times. I quite happily remain using version 6.5.0.135, it asks to update, I say no and nothing malicious happens. I'm behind impenetrable firewall btw.

To all others: dig up version 5 from the archives or something like that.
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Postby AvonWyss » Wed Mar 30, 2011 9:16 am

I quite happily remain using version 6.5.0.135, it asks to update, I say no and nothing malicious happens. I'm behind impenetrable firewall btw.

Nothing happens yet. The timebomb is datebound, not via network interaction. Set you computer date to the 1st of June this year and start Reflector, at least mine refused to work then.
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